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The Section 8 Stack: How a $91 Rent Bump Made $1.7 Million
Why I run Section 8 in nice multifamily buildings instead of cheap single-family houses, and the exact math that turned a $91 FMR increase into $1.7 million.
I'm going to show you exactly how I made over a million dollars (actually almost $2 million) in one shot in one year, using a strategy I call the Section 8 stack. It's an advanced Section 8 play that is so simple to use, and so many people miss it.
I've seen Section 8 courses and strategies online where the whole pitch is: buy hundreds of crappy houses in the middle of nowhere, put them on Section 8, and you're going to make a bunch of money. What I'm about to walk through is unbelievably easier. You can do it in just a few transactions, and it can literally make you millions of dollars. I'll also show you the exact math the bank used when it gave me the cash-out refinance.
Related reading: Inside My 44-Unit Section 42 Building: $1.8M, $0 Out of Pocket
The Myth: Cheap Houses in the Middle of Nowhere
First, let's kill the common myth.
There are seven or eight core sellers online whose entire focus is crappy houses in the middle of nowhere. Buy these things, they say. It's tons of work. Those people are always out in the field at houses, evicting people. It's a nightmare.
And if you buy crappy properties, guess what? Your whole business is built on crappy buildings. Old buildings. Constant problems. Problem tenants. An endless management nightmare. And honestly, it's not that fun of a business to be in: there are a bunch of other jobs you could do to make the same amount of money.
In the Section 8 stack, we use multifamily instead. Multifamily was built to house multiple people. That's the whole point.
What Section 8 Actually Looks Like in My Portfolio
I have properties where 70% of the building is on Section 8. The government sends me a check for 80%, 90%, in some cases 100% of the tenant's rent.
The voucher program is extremely common, and it's simple. People who make low income can apply for a housing voucher. When they're accepted, you can place them in your apartments. We still screen them exactly the same way we'd screen any other tenant: same background checks, same credit checks. The only difference is they're paying a lot less rent out of pocket, so it's much easier for them to afford.
I have properties where I get $50,000 to $70,000 every single month from the government before all the other rent comes in. One single deposit. Better than a check: it's a direct deposit straight into my account. It's never late. It's government guaranteed.
One of my recent purchases illustrates the point: 144 units in brick buildings constructed in 2006, with a pool, clubhouse, basketball court, office gym, and computer lab. About 40% of the tenants there use Section 8 assistance. A resident's income source doesn't tell you the quality of the apartment community.
This is a desperately needed asset class, especially right now when economics are a little hard. I think it's going to be harder to be a renter over the next few years, not easier. There's a lot of volatility, low-income housing demand is going to increase, it's still expensive to build, and there isn't a lot of new inventory coming online. Affordable housing is extremely important.
So what do you hold when you buy multifamily? Instead of one house in the middle of nowhere, you hold buildings like that 144-unit. Like my 76-unit. Like the 44-unit. I have a senior housing community where a whole bunch of the residents are on fixed income. We provide beautiful housing for fantastic people, and we're able to offer it affordably because of the government subsidy programs. That's what taxes go for.
When you stack them (a single building with multiple Section 8 tenants as part of your mix, instead of one house) you're getting the most out of Section 8. That's what you're really looking for.
How I Set Properties Up to Attract Vouchers
Section 8 is calculated off something called fair market rent, or FMR. That's the maximum Section 8 will pay for a tenant.
So in underwriting, the question I ask is simple: does this deal work if I only get rents up to today's FMR? If you can price to FMR (which I've done on many, many properties) and you can lease the property up there, you mark it as Section 8 available. I want Section 8 tenants to apply.
We still bring in market-rate tenants. Everyone's welcome to apply. But because we market specifically for it, a large portion of our tenants do carry vouchers. The verbiage in our listings all says "Section 8 encouraged" or "Section 8 available," and we price to match. We stack the deck in our favor toward getting applicants on the program.
The Math That Made $1.7 Million
There was a year when Section 8 in my market went up $91 on average, blended across one-beds, two-beds, and three-beds.
Here's the setup. Over about a five-year period I bought three or four deals a year and accumulated over 500 rental units. We recently closed on the 144. I bought a 76 and a 44: those are the brick buildings in Stephenville you see in the background. We bought a 25 and a 26. I have a 10-plex in Houston, another 100-something units in Washington State, and so on. It honestly doesn't take that long to make all of this happen.
In that 550-unit portfolio, 98 multifamily rentals were on Section 8: about 20% of the portfolio. And the average FMR increase was $91 per month. That means the government paid an extra $91 per month for almost 100 tenants.
Related reading: Section 8 Changes: What the 40% Cut Means for Landlords
Now here's where it gets crazy.
In residential real estate, your valuation is based on whatever your neighbors just sold for. In commercial, it's based on your net operating income.
So how much do my expenses go up when the government pays an additional $91 per unit? Nothing. My utilities are the same. My mortgage is the same. My taxes are the same. Nothing went up because the government is paying me more money.
- $91 × 98 units = almost $9,000 a month in additional income, doing no additional work.
- × 12 months = about $107,000 a year of new net operating income.
- ÷ the market cap rate = the value created.
In the Washington and Texas markets discussed here, we were using roughly a 7% cap rate for valuation. At the time of my earlier cash-out refinance, the bank used 6%. That earlier calculation was $91 × 98 × 12 ÷ 0.06, or about $1.78 million of implied additional property value. It was an increase in valuation, not the same thing as personal income.
In today's market, if the exact same thing happened the exact same way at a seven cap, we'd make $1.5 million.
One other thing worth noticing: a lot of people have an initial goal of building $10,000 a month in income. This one FMR adjustment got me almost all the way there automatically, in one shot.
Why This Keeps Working
This is why I love commercial real estate. Even when cap rates move up and down, your valuations are based on performance.
That's also why it's called the Section 8 stack. It's not a single dumpy house in the middle of nowhere. These are beautiful buildings, valued on their performance, and the math is easy: how much new income are we creating annually, and how much is that income worth?
I've owned these for years, and this happens every once in a while. Some years the FMR revenue only goes up $20. Some years it goes up over $100. It's based on fair market rent, so if you're buying in growing markets in excellent areas, here's what you end up with: beautiful properties, lots of units, very high cash flow, high values, and a very large net worth built on a large number of good buildings in growing areas.
You can skip the strategies that say buy in the middle-of-nowhere Midwest. I'm not trying to buy in Gary, Indiana: sorry if you happen to invest there. I'm not trying to buy in the worst areas or the dumpiest areas. I'm not trying to go downmarket at all. I'm buying properties I actually want to own, and I'm getting paid to do it. Section 8 helps us create massive checks, tenants who need help get the help they need, and our screening process looks the same as it does for any other tenant.
Key Takeaways
- Run Section 8 through multifamily, not single-family. One building with a Section 8 mix beats a hundred scattered houses.
- Underwrite to FMR. If the deal works at today's fair market rent, you can price there and lease up there.
- Market for vouchers on purpose ("Section 8 encouraged" in every listing) and screen exactly like any other tenant.
- Commercial value is NOI ÷ cap rate, so every dollar of FMR increase drops straight to value with zero expense increase.
- $91 a month × 98 units × 12 months, divided by a 6% cap, was a $1.7 million valuation bump the bank paid out on a cash-out refinance.
- Buy quality buildings in growing markets. The FMR increases follow the market, and the buildings are ones you actually want to own.
Watch the full video above for the whiteboard walkthrough of the refinance math step by step. If you want to go further, there's a free multifamily course on the site, a free Skool community that includes a deal calculator, and you can book a call with my team about the mentorship if you want direct coaching in a group that's buying deals like this around the country.
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0:00 On today's video, I'm going to show you 0:01 exactly how I have made over a million 0:04 dollars, actually almost $2 million in 0:06 one shot in one year using a strategy 0:09 called the Section 8 stack. This is a 0:11 advanced section 8 strategy that is so 0:13 simple to use and so many people miss 0:15 it. I have seen section 8 courses and 0:17 strategies online with people touting, 0:19 "Hey, buy hundreds of these crappy 0:21 houses in the middle of nowhere and put 0:23 them on section 8. You're going to make 0:24 a bunch of money." This is unbelievably 0:26 easier. You can do it in just a few 0:29 transactions and can literally make you 0:31 millions of dollars. In fact, stay tuned 0:33 at the end of the video. I'm going to go 0:34 through the whiteboard and actually show 0:35 you the exact math on exactly how I made 0:38 the money. I'll show you over a million7 0:40 in money that I made in one year and the 0:43 math that the bank used to give me the 0:46 cash out refinance. So, if you're 0:48 looking for your first seven figures or 0:50 looking to make your next seven figures, 0:52 you can do it following the section 8 0:54 stack strategy I'm going to share right 0:55 now on today's video. So, 0:58 [music] 1:05 [music] 1:10 [music] 1:11 so first of all, I want to dispel this 1:13 common myth. Buy these single family 1:15 houses in the middle of nowhere. There 1:17 are like seven or eight core sellers 1:18 that all they focus on is crappy houses 1:21 middle of nowhere. Buy these things. 1:22 It's tons of work. They're always in the 1:24 field at houses evicting people. It's a 1:27 nightmare. And if you buy crappy 1:29 properties, guess what? Your whole 1:30 business is built on crappy buildings. 1:33 You're going to have old buildings. 1:34 You're going to have problems. You're 1:35 going to have problem tenants. It's 1:37 going to be an endless management 1:39 nightmare. And it's not that fun of a 1:41 business to be in. Like there's a bunch 1:42 of other jobs you can do to make the 1:43 same amount of money. In the section 8 1:46 stack, we're using multif family photo 1:47 was made to do house multiple people. I 1:50 have properties where 70% of the 1:53 building is section 8. The government 1:57 sends me a check for 80 90 in some cases 2:01 100% of their rent. This voucher program 2:04 that is extremely common. All it is is 2:06 essentially people who make low income 2:08 can apply for a housing voucher. When 2:10 they get accepted, you can place them in 2:12 your apartments. Now, we still screen 2:14 them the exact same way that you would 2:16 any other tenant. So, they get the same 2:17 background checks, the same credit 2:18 checks. The only difference is they're 2:20 paying a lot less rent. It's much easier 2:23 for them to afford. I have properties 2:25 where I get 50 to $70,000 checks every 2:29 single month from the government before 2:32 all the other rent comes in. I get one 2:34 single check. I mean, better than a 2:36 check, it's a direct deposit. It just 2:37 it's my account. It's never late. It's 2:40 government guaranteed. This is a 2:42 strategy that you can copy into your 2:43 business and it will be absolutely 2:45 amazing. In the background here, you're 2:48 seeing a property that I recently 2:49 purchased. Now, about 40% of the tenants 2:52 here are on section 8. This is a 144 2:54 unit building. Look at the quality of 2:56 the buildings, though. These are 2:57 beautiful brick buildings. It's built in 2:59 2006. 3:01 There's a pool, a clubhouse, a 3:02 basketball court, an inoff gym, computer 3:05 lab. There's all sorts of amenities and 3:07 awesome tenants here. A ton of them 3:09 happen to be lower income. This is a 3:12 desperately needed asset class, 3:14 especially right now where economics are 3:16 a little bit hard. And I think it's 3:18 going to be harder to be a renter over 3:19 the next few years as opposed to easier. 3:21 In our current economic client, we have 3:23 a lot of volatility. I think lowincome 3:26 housing is going to be in increasing 3:28 demand. It's still expensive to build. 3:30 There's not a whole lot of new inventory 3:31 being built. Housing is really hard. So, 3:33 affordable housing is extremely 3:35 important. So, what do you hold when you 3:37 buy multif family? Instead of buying 3:39 these crappy houses in the middle of 3:40 nowhere, you hold these beautiful 3:42 buildings like this 144 unit, like my 76 3:45 unit, like the 44 unit. I have a senior 3:47 housing community. A whole bunch of 3:49 these seniors are on fixed income. We 3:51 provide beautiful housing for fantastic 3:54 people and we're able to offer this to 3:58 and we're able to offer this affordable 4:00 housing because of the government 4:02 subsidy programs. This is what taxes go 4:04 for. But when you stack them, instead of 4:06 buying this one house, buying a single 4:09 building with multiple section 8 tenants 4:11 as a portion of your mix, you're getting 4:14 se 4:16 you're getting the most out of section 4:19 8, and that's what you're really looking 4:20 for. So, what I'm going to do now is I'm 4:22 going to cut to the whiteboard. I'm 4:23 going to show you what the math looks 4:24 like on this. There was a year where 4:27 section 8 in my market went up $91 4:31 on average between the one beds, two 4:33 beds, three beds. It's calculated off 4:35 something called fair market rent or 4:37 FMR. That is the maximum section 8 will 4:40 pay for a tenant. If you can buy deals 4:42 where you in your underwriting, you just 4:43 determine, hey, does the deal work if I 4:46 only get this to today's FMR? If you can 4:49 price to FMR, which I've done on many, 4:51 many, many properties, and you can lease 4:53 up the property there, you mark it as 4:55 section 8 available. I want section 8 to 4:58 apply. Now, we'll still bring in some 5:00 market rate tenants. Everyone's welcome 5:02 to apply, but what ends up happening is 5:04 a large portion of my tenants actually 5:06 do have those section 8 vouchers because 5:08 we market specifically for it. The 5:10 verbiage in our listings all says 5:12 section 8 encouraged or section 8 5:14 available. We price to match this. So, 5:16 we stack the deck in our favor towards 5:18 getting applicants who are on the 5:20 section 8 program. As a result, in my 5:22 550 unit portfolio, I had 98 5:27 multif family rentals and a $91 average 5:30 increase in FMR. This means the 5:33 government paid an extra $91 per month 5:35 every single month for almost 100 5:37 tenants. Here's what the numbers look 5:39 like. 5:40 This is where the math gets crazy. I'm 5:42 so excited to show you this. Over the 5:44 past few years, I usually buy three or 5:45 four deals a year. So, as I'm doing 5:47 transactions over about a 5-year period, 5:48 I've accumulated over 500 rental units. 5:51 We recently closed on 144. I bought a 5:54 76, a 44. In fact, these are the 5:57 buildings that you're seeing in the 5:58 background earlier in this video. 6:00 Beautiful buildings, brick buildings in 6:02 Stevenville. We bought a 25, a 26. I 6:05 have a 10plex in Houston. I have another 6:08 100 something units in Washington State 6:10 and so on. We bought these buildings and 6:12 it actually doesn't take that long to 6:14 make all of this happen. So, we went 6:16 through all of this. We kept stacking 6:17 rentals and rentals and rentals. Uh, and 6:19 now you have this beautiful portfolio 6:21 and about 20% of it is on section 8. So, 6:24 what we ended up with is one year we had 6:28 a average increase between one beds, two 6:30 beds, and three beds of $91 per unit. 6:32 Now, this is over 98 units. So, $91 6:38 per month. 6:42 98 6:44 different units. 6:46 Here's where the math gets crazy. In 6:48 residential real estate, your valuation 6:50 is based on whatever your neighbors just 6:52 sold for. In commercial, it's based on 6:56 your net operating income. How much do 6:57 your expenses go up if the government 7:01 pays an additional $91 per unit? 7:04 Nothing. My utilities are the same. My 7:05 mortgage is the same. My taxes are the 7:08 same. Nothing went up because the 7:09 government's paying me more money. 7:11 However, I'm getting 91 times 98 per 7:15 month automatically doing no additional 7:18 work. So, let's break out the math. $91 7:22 times 98 units, we are making an extra 7:26 almost $9,000 a month. Now, one of the 7:29 crazy things is a lot of people have an 7:31 initial goal of setting up a $10,000 a 7:34 month income. This gets you almost all 7:36 the way there automatically in one shot. 7:39 Now on these 91 units, all returns are 7:41 evaluated annually. So our new net 7:43 operating income has gone up times 12 7:49 $100,000 7:51 a year. Actually $107,000 a year. Now in 7:55 our markets at the time, both in 7:58 Washington state and in Texas, we are 8:00 seeing an average of about a seven cap 8:02 for valuation. It's gotten a little 8:03 higher. Initially, when I started, it 8:05 was closer to a six. But all you do to 8:07 figure out how much that this is worth 8:09 to a bank, and this is what it was 8:10 actually worth to the bank, we divide 8:13 this by the cap rate, the return that 8:16 one would expect in that market. In this 8:18 case, a 7%. So, divide by 8:22 07. 8:28 That is what it's worth to me today. At 8:30 the time of my cash out refinance, it 8:33 was 91 * 98 8:37 * 12 8:39 / 06. 8:43 That is the valuation that the bank gave 8:45 me at the time that I did this. So in 8:47 those market conditions, I made 1.7 8:50 million. In today's market, if I had the 8:51 exact same thing happen the exact same 8:53 way, we would make $1.5 million. This is 8:56 why I love commercial real estate. Even 8:58 when the cap rates move up and down, 9:00 your valuations are based on 9:02 performance. This is why it's called the 9:04 section 8 stack. It's not just a single 9:06 dumpy house in the middle of nowhere. 9:08 These are beautiful buildings. They're 9:10 based on their performance. And the math 9:12 is super easy to do. How much new income 9:14 are we creating annually? And how much 9:16 is that income worth? In this case, 9:19 seven figures. I've owned these for 9:20 years. This happens every once in a 9:22 while. Now, sometimes the revenue only 9:24 goes up $20. Some years it goes up over 9:27 $100. It's based on fair market rent. 9:29 So, if you're buying in growing markets 9:31 in excellent areas, here's what you end 9:33 up with. You end up with beautiful 9:35 properties, lots of units, very high 9:38 cash flow, high values, and a very large 9:42 net worth built on beautiful buildings 9:45 and a large amount of them in growing 9:47 areas. So, you can skip these section 8 9:49 strategies of like, hey, let's buy in 9:51 middle of nowhere Midwest. I'm not 9:53 trying to buy in Gary, Indiana. I don't 9:54 want to buy in the Sorry if you happen 9:56 to invest in Gary. I'm not trying to buy 9:58 in the worst areas or the dumpiest 10:00 areas. I'm not trying to go affordable. 10:03 I'm buying the properties that I want to 10:04 own. I'm getting paid to do so. And 10:07 we're doing this again and again and 10:08 again. Section 8 is helping us create 10:11 massive checks, get government money, 10:13 have tenants who need the help get the 10:15 help they need, and our screen processes 10:17 look the same as they do for any other 10:18 tenant. This is a simple method. This is 10:20 the section 8 stack. Do this in multif 10:22 family, not single family, and you will 10:24 literally make millions of dollars on 10:26 repeat without doing any additional. If 10:28 you want more coaching on exactly how to 10:30 do this, check out multif family 10:31 strategy.com for our mentorship group. 10:32 You can actually book a call with my 10:34 team and see if this is something that 10:35 you want to get involved in. If you want 10:37 direct coaching and be in a community 10:38 where people are buying deals like this 10:40 all the time, all around the country 10:42 starting with little to no money like I 10:44 did, you can do the exact same thing 10:46 there. Again, go to multif family 10:47 strategy.com and I'll see you on the 10:49 next
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